The comments on this page have not been provided, reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any advertiser, and it is not an advertiser's responsibility to ensure posts and/or questions are answered. Does this really qualify as an "internship"? And was told that 90% would be "turns", out and back same day - no layovers. [Well] flash someone a message, Hey, we see youre flying today. Many may not have developed interactional skills with customers (passengers) and feel this job can help teach them that skill. Log in or . However, if there's a recovery in airlines and given there was a shortage of pilots before I'm not sure this pay scale is going to last full time. The pay scale also looks good. It can be very exciting and rewarding, but. the recruiters told me: *No insurance provided. Even if it flies at first, at some point of growth, you won't be able to justify career training. American would attempt to get the lowest pay rates in the industry on comparable equipment. Customer service: Generally speaking, younger hires are friendlier and perkier. Therefor your flight attendant is going to be exhausted/probably not happy and definitely not rested enough to perform optimally in an emergency. And why frankly, should businesses be saddled with this expense? Every Friday Saturday, and Sunday of the month. Hopefully professional pilots will take a hard look at other careers before accepting garbage like this. Login Support. The company may credit new hires for any prior active years of service at another Part 121/135 air carrier or at a Mesa-affiliated pilot development program for purposes of calculating years of service for compensation, vacation, and retirement. I can't always trust a computer system to give me the perks or pay attention to the details I care about. I knew one guy that slept in the crew lounge and wandered DEN between trips. The downside for me, and they exist in almost all arrangements, is the unknown as to whether we'll have health insurance. We spend $100K plus on flight training plus college for most of us. The job may fit more workers than you think. A new airline that bills itself as "seriously nice" first took to the skies in 2021. Mar 22, 2022 #1 Effective immediately: 6-year scale Year 1: $25.00 -27.00 (depending on experience) Year 6: $34.00 . Neeleman is no doubt a bright guy, having founded several airlines, including JetBlue. *The whole "Home Monthly" is based on operational needs and must be scheduled 3 weeks prior. Pros - quick getting on plane and sitting down, a few empty seats, very fast getting luggage back to you Cons - You have to pay extra for any seat you choose. The old adage "Skilled labor isn't cheap - Cheap labor isn't skilled" still applies. El Segundo, CA 90245. Eight months later our crashpad lease expired. Thanks !! In fact, the concept seems brilliant and hope I make it through the process and get selected. Stay connected with the latest travel, aviation, and credit card news. Aviation is amazing!! They relentlessly play the fear card, citing safety or at times implicitly threatening your safety. If not the comparison is poor. less than daily to leisure/small markets. I would think having your own place paid for as an apartment or even sharing would save you $6000 a month at least. This same thing happened in Brazil with Azul. Low fares. There isn't enough information to know whether this is a good deal or a bad deal for the "part timers" potentially taking this work. No other large country trains and hires their airline pilots the way we do. If not enough apply because the pay is too low, then the company can decide if they want to raise their pay. And I agree with the fellow poster RE: all very young kids, limited work experience not what Id want in an emergency. MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands According to Neeleman: Ive shared my general thoughts on Breeze in the past, though based on these updates I have a few more things to add: Breeze should be launching operations shortly, becoming the second new US airline to launch in a matter of weeks. Corporate apartments with two bedrooms. Copyright 2005-2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. An airline that keeps harassing me with upsell offers on my purchase? The concept does turn on to be "too good to be true" at least for me, just based on the insurance matter alone. Breeze has promised to pay flight attendants a fixed monthly rate of $1,200, alongside an annual bursary of $6,000 and free shared company accommodation. I'm curious how many days on-call per month they have. Let's ask Don Burr how his cult airline worked out? (the "free" school and housing comes out of their pay just as much as if they got full pay, and paid for the school/housing themselves). Is Breeze Airways pilot pay unreasonable? For those who get hired by Breeze in this first round, I would imagine they'd be happy campers in a few years. We are in search of the best and the brightest to join our dynamic team of aviation and people enthusiasts. @rich Does your fast food place include housing as part of compensation? I dwelled on my sad fate at length. While we do try to list all the best miles and points deals, the site does not include all card companies or credit card offers available in the marketplace. Spent $50 at the Vagabond motel next to the airport. American would attempt to get the lowest pay rates in the industry on comparable equipment. pilots from the majors who took retirement might jump at the chance to fly again. Most of the comments are/were regarding the MMG and hourly pay, but the key factor is the requirements to actually get the job. You can also reach us at (800) 573-1848. And Moron #27 it's an INTERNSHIP.not a career. Wonder what theyll pay their mechanics and pilots??? Idea sounds interesting but that pay scale and hiring model is trash. It does sound like not much at the moment, but I think the idea behind it, that for a starting Airline and in the pandamic, to only offer 55h minium is understandable. Its stated that the role of flight attendants will be part time, as theyll work 15 days per month. That sounds part time and probably better since you are getting paid for all of your time. Seems oppressive, so they wont be seeing my business. This business model shows that there is still tremendous opportunity to drive down wring out costs in flying. As a retired Flight Attendant after 34 years of service I find this both offensive and sad. And many of the commenters on here will fill seats when UA is 5x the price on Are all the posts from FAs at other airlines? $1,200/mo if you have 15 days off and $1,400/mo if only 10. However, in reality thats not hugely different than the schedules that flight attendants work at other airlines full time. They can't profitably or even just realistically offer higher minimums than that at this point because they won't have the volume of flights. To compare, many carriers guarantee at least 75 hours a month. Breeze Airways is a new airline thats expected to launch in the US in early 2021. Starbucks employees don't plan on a career there, but they love the culture and it offers them a launching pad. So, that will be difficult. Breeze Airways is a new airline that's expected to launch in the US in early 2021. Which means, the flight attendant occupation is DIRECTLY responsible for marketing the company to the public. Why are we encouraging a race to the bottom? Every job would hire people at less than half pay and call them interns if they could get away with it. The article also fails to factor in per diem amounts and the tax advantage that goes with that. Checking in Online. Can the U.S. not have just one decent, heck even mediocre, airline? Just the other day, the neighborhood Japanese restaurant is using robots to deliver food. Log into your account. Sounds ripe for an age discrimination lawsuit at some point too. To airline pilots is there anything Im missing here that would make Breeze an attractive employer? Why are we encouraging a race to the bottom? And they likely will try to launch with no union, am I right? Its unfair pay but it is a fun job and these are weird times. May be this a good business model. You and your self-interested cronies don't get to decide what type of jobs people choose to take. I would have loved an opportunity like this. hide. document.getElementById( "ak_js" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); My neighbor is in this program. Employees pay for their school and housing, but Breeze gets the tax savings. I explained more in my previous posts. This is absolutely exploitive. After the carrier recently announced the hourly pay offered to pilots, however, the aforementioned description may not be satisfactory. The concept does turn on to be "too good to be true" at least for me, just based on the insurance matter alone. I interviewed at Breeze a few months back. We are seeing a rapid deployment of apps and self-service kiosks to replace human workforce that don't bring $15 an hour value. These skills are essential for them to be able to take the next step in their careers and lives. It's exactly what I have been saying for years. They have no employees right now and are relying upon applicants to look at the pay and say "Sounds good enough to me." The comments about this airline attracting the bottom of the barrel are unfair considering the circumstances. There's a lot of old pilots - is Neeleman hiring them because of their looks, or because they know how to fly a plane? Sounds like 4 years of indentured servitude! Not everyone is born into wealth and that could be one of the deciding factors for people to apply. He couldn't pay me $1200 to fly them for a month. I felt fortunate. Certainly in today's world that is a luxury. I think the best way for this airline to implement their business model is to pay for its pilots training from 0 hrs to 1500 hrs and then these pilots can work for them at their pay scale that will make more sense. They can't practice on their Great idea. My regional airline was a casualty of covid and Breeze seems like a great fit for someone like myself. Flight Attendants are hired because they are qualified to provide safety & service. Impressive to see how discussion of new airline business immediately decedents into anti-religious bigotry. Expect this trend to accelerate in the next 3-5 years. Lets compare Breezes pilot pay to that of a couple of other airlines: Heres JetBlues Embraer 190 pilot pay scale: JetBlue Embraer 190 pilots get paid way more. They are offering an employment model that will appeal to some people and no other airline can/will match it so the cost differences should be sustainable. anything less than market rate? For the right crewmember this could be an excellent opportunity. Breeze Airways is ready to take flight.